[BULK] RE: [Eagleprojects] FW: Looking for written rules

Peter Reich preich at law.whittier.edu
Mon Mar 3 12:22:05 CST 2008 

I am free to meet this Tuesday night at 7:30 as well.

Peter

>>> <ami at shiltons.net> 3/2/2008 11:36 PM >>>
Sure, I will look for it.  I hope he has all of it saved on one of our computers :)

Again, I am free on Tuesday after 7:30 when I am done with Patrick B.

A

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [BULK]  RE: [Eagleprojects] FW: Looking for written rules
> From: "Erik Mayer" <scoutmaster at bsatroop113.org>
> Date: Sun, March 02, 2008 11:31 pm
> To: <ami at shiltons.net>,  "'tony brqvo'" <ptbravo at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: <eagleprojects at bsatroop113.org>
> 
> Ami-
> 
> Can you bring one of Robbie's Patrol Leader Manuals for Drake and an email
> it to me for future use? I can meet this Tuesday also. Drake's Patrol
> Meeting is this Thursday, but I have a CERT Meeting that night.
> 
> Erik 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: eagleprojects-bounces at bsatroop113.org 
> [mailto:eagleprojects-bounces at bsatroop113.org] On Behalf Of ami at shiltons.net 
> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 23:19
> To: tony brqvo
> Cc: eagleprojects at bsatroop113.org 
> Subject: RE: [BULK] RE: [Eagleprojects] FW: Looking for written rules
> 
> I will be there at 7:00 p.m. to meet with Patrick Bishoff(I know I am
> spelling his name wrong) for the Pet Care merit badge but could meet after
> that.  I know that there is a patrol meeting that night so I am not sure
> where we can meet.  Carole did mention that Tony was supposed to meet with
> Drake.
> 
> Please know that I am not trying to point any fingers.  I am not really
> involved that much since Robbie has graduated but since Erik asked me to
> call Drake I am just reporting what I was told.
> 
> Ami
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: [BULK]  RE: [Eagleprojects] FW: Looking for written rules
> > From: tony brqvo <ptbravo at sbcglobal.net>
> > Date: Sun, March 02, 2008 11:13 pm
> > To: eagleprojects at bsatroop113.org 
> > 
> > Tony planned to meet with Drake last Tuesday before the troop meeting but
> since the PLC was not prepared for the troop meeting that night the meeting
> was postponed, I think. He meets with all of our, patrol 1, patrol's leaders
> and makes sure they understand thier duties.
> >   I can meet this Tuesday
> >   Patti
> > 
> > ami at shiltons.net wrote:
> >   Carole is reporting what Drake is telling her. There is a communication
> breakdown between what Drake is hearing and what he is telling his mother.
> Carole did say that Drake does not really know what he should be doing as a
> Patrol Leader. I am not sure who should be training the patrol leaders now
> but if he does not know what to do he needs to be told. I told Carole that
> everything is on the website. She told me that she was not aware of that. I
> can't meet this week as I am leaving Wednesday night to take Robbie to CA/NV
> sectionals in Mission Viejo. You may meet with her without me. Carole said
> that Drake was never told about the proposal portion. I did tell her that
> Eagle projects are not usually discussed with Junior scouts as they should
> be completing other parts of scouting and that Eagle projects are usually
> discussed with the senior scouts. Again, I am in agreement but since I was
> asked to speak with Drake and then got to listen to Carole I am only
> reporting what I
> >  was told. 
> > 
> > A
> > 
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: RE: [BULK] RE: [Eagleprojects] FW: Looking for written rules
> > > From: tony brqvo 
> > 
> > > Date: Sun, March 02, 2008 10:59 pm
> > > To: Erik Mayer , ami at shiltons.net, 
> > > 'Peter Reich' 
> > 
> > > Cc: eagleprojects at bsatroop113.org 
> > > 
> > > I know I haven't responded to the emails, but I did state my opinion at
> this afternoon's committee meeting. Drake needs to grow as a leader. He
> called Aaron last Tuesday afternoon for the troop meeting that night and
> stated he wasn't sure if the uniform for that meeting was to be class A or
> B. I agree that Drake is too young for all this and he needs some maturing
> to go.
> > > 
> > > i think we should all be there to discuss this with Carole. It cannot be
> Mondays, or Tuesday, March 11. Can we meet another evening this week? I'm
> free.
> > > 
> > > Just a thought, if Carole is researching all this, shouldn't she be
> familiar with the approval process? Which starts with the scoutmaster, then
> the proposal... which we never received.
> > > 
> > > Patti
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Erik Mayer wrote:
> > > I can meet on Monday. We have a very busy meeting on the 11th and I will
> not
> > > be able to meet at 7 PM. I do not remember talking to Drake in January
> about
> > > a project. If we did it was most likely Drake wanting to know if he
> could do
> > > a blood drive for his project and me saying yes, not knowing that Drake
> was
> > > planning to do this right away.
> > > 
> > > As far as not getting back to Carole, I purposely did not reply to her
> > > awaiting Ami's intervention.
> > > 
> > > We discussed this issue at this afternoon's Troop Committee Meeting and
> > > everyone was in agreement that Drake is not ready for his project. I am
> > > aware that you can do your project before other requirements are done.
> That
> > > is not the issue as I see it. Drake needs to mature more as a Scout and
> > > demonstrate more leadership as a Patrol Leader, ASPL, or SPL before I
> > > believe he will be ready for his Eagle project. His only leadership to
> date
> > > is Chaplain's Aide and one month as Patrol Leader. All of our past
> Eagles
> > > had done significantly more leadership. Lee Wolkowitz made Eagle at age
> 14,
> > > but he was mature and an exceptional Scout.
> > > 
> > > What time do we want to meet on Monday?
> > > 
> > > Erik
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ami at shiltons.net [mailto:ami at shiltons.net] 
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 22:22
> > > To: Peter Reich; Tony Bravo
> > > Cc: eagleprojects at bsatroop113.org; scoutmaster at bsatroop113.org 
> > > Subject: RE: [BULK] RE: [Eagleprojects] FW: Looking for written rules
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I just got off the phone with Carol Myers. She is very upset. She feels
> > > that Drake was told one thing in January and is now being told something
> > > else. At this point I have suggested that we have a meeting with her,
> > > Drake, Erik, Peter and me and possibly Patti to discuss this situation
> so
> > > that we can move forward. Erik, she feels that you have not communicated
> to
> > > Drake in a clear manner what he should or should not be doing. I did
> tell
> > > her that often our young sons are told one thing and that they hear
> > > something else. Again, we all need to be in the same room and get all of
> us
> > > on the same page. If we as a group feel that Drake is too young to do
> the
> > > project we need to tell him that and have concrete evidence as to why we
> > > feel that way. According to the scout books a scout can be working on
> their
> > > merit badges and project at the same time. Drake does know that he must
> > > submit the project to Erik and to the Advancement board of the troop for
> > > approval before he can move to the next step. Carol said that he was not
> > > told that when he came to Erik in January with the idea.
> > > 
> > > I don't want to get into a he said she said discussion. I think that we
> > > need to all meet the week after next and close this chapter. Carol and I
> > > can't meet on Monday, March 10th but could meet on Tuesday at 7:00 p.m.
> > > before the troop meeting. Let me know what you think and then Erik could
> > > you please coordinate this. Carol is very upset that you have not
> responded
> > > to Drake or to her so we need to get this finalized now.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Ami
> > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > Subject: RE: [BULK] RE: [Eagleprojects] FW: Looking for written rules
> > > > From: "Peter Reich" 
> > > 
> > > > Date: Sun, March 02, 2008 7:27 pm
> > > > To: 
> > > > Cc: , 
> > > > 
> > > > That sounds great; thanks Ami. 
> > > > 
> > > > Peter
> > > > 
> > > > >>> 03/02/08 6:25 PM >>>
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I just got off the phone with Drake. I told him that I strongly
> suggested
> > > that he complete more of the merit badges and leadership before he
> > > undertakes the project. I explained the process - however, you may want
> to
> > > send him the links. I explained that he must not schedule anything until
> > > all approvals are complete. He wants to get things done before he gets
> to
> > > high school because he is concerned with the work load. I told him to
> get
> > > those merit badges completed by the end of the summer and consider doing
> the
> > > project in the fall. I did tell him that eagles who do these projects
> when
> > > they are slightly older get more out of them. I explained that an eagle
> > > project is not only about doing the project but how you lead the
> project.
> > > You should not be doing all of the work. 
> > > > 
> > > > I hope this sunk in. His mom was not on the phone as I called his
> cell.
> > > I offered to meet with him to discuss this or if he or his mom have any
> > > additional questions. 
> > > > 
> > > > Ami
> > > > 
> > > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > Subject: Re: [BULK] RE: [Eagleprojects] FW: Looking for written
> rules
> > > > > From: "Peter Reich" 
> > > 
> > > > > Date: Sat, March 01, 2008 9:50 pm
> > > > > To: , 
> > > > > Cc: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks Ami.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Peter 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >>> 03/01/08 7:07 PM >>>
> > > > > I left a message for Drake. I want his mother to hear what I have to
> > > say so I will encourage her to be on the line.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ami
> > > > > 
> > > > > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > > Subject: [Eagleprojects] FW: Looking for written rules
> > > > > > From: "Erik Mayer" 
> > > > > > Date: Sat, March 01, 2008 10:23 am
> > > > > > To: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > FYI. I have not responded awaiting Ami's call to Drake.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Here is the info she requested:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://www.bsatroop113.org/advancement/eagle_scout_rank.htm 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> http://www.bsatroop113.org/advancement/eagle_project_information.htm 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://www.scouting.org/BoyScouts/AdvancementandAwards.aspx 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Erik
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > _____ 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > From: bsa113 at aol.com [mailto:bsa113 at aol.com] 
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:05
> > > > > > To: scoutmaster at bsatroop113.org 
> > > > > > Subject: Fwd: Looking for written rules
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Mrs. Myers 
> > > > > > To: bsa113 at aol.com 
> > > > > > Sent: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 7:25 am
> > > > > > Subject: Looking for written rules
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Erik....
> > > > > > I have gone on line and I am looking for all the written rules and
> > > > > > regulations/standards that the BSA has for working on an Eagle
> > > project.
> > > > > > Where are the written guildline? Does troop 113 have a different
> set
> > > of
> > > > > > written guideline and where might one find those? 
> > > > > > I am not looking for the Eagle Scout Workbook. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Do you know who and where I get this information. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > Carole Myes 
> > > > > > 
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